Sunday, December 17, 2006

16 aralıkda konusulanlar

Blindsight olanlar: suffer from cortical blindness.. Blindness is a lack of visual conc. Aslında gosterilen objeyi goruyorlar, cunku stimulus sadece visual cortexe gitmiyor, bir suru yere gidiyor. Ama gorduklerinin farkında degiller. Sorun: beyinde project ettigi ana merkez damage ise you are still processing visual info without awaring about it. You are seeing unconsciously. Dolayısıyla forced choice da tahmin etmeleri cok yuksek. Bunu implicit memory ile baglantılandırmıslar.
Split brain studylerinde de

Language ile ilgili bir impairmentımız varsa conc da impaired olacak.

Simple awareness: awaresin ama aware oldugunun farkında degilsin.
Reflexive awareness: aware oldugunun awarenessı

Eskiden cortexi conc. Ile bagdastırmıslar, ama visual cortex damaged oldugunda sen yine visual dream gorebiliyorsun. Dolayısıyla baska birsey var.

Braim stem içinde kibrit çöpünün bası kadar olan nuclei da: extended reticular and thalamic activating systemda conc. Var.
Anestezide bu yere mudahale var mesela.



Damasio bu conc yeri calısmalarını yapmıs

Eger neede htiyacın yoksa, ex. Computer, conc a ihtiyacı yok.
En primitive levelda conc is about the bodily sensations: hunger hissetmek gibi. Eger hayvan bunun farkında olmasaydı ölürdü.

Core conc herkesde var: animals and people. Mesela bir kedi can feel good or bad. Ama bi de higher levels of conc var. bu higer olan iste reflexive conc.





Mind body problem dates back to antiquity. Trying to understand how mental becomes mind is the mind-body problem.
Descartes’s suggestion is that mental and material are two independent entities. Descartes’ view is a dualist view, which asserts that universe contains two kinds of stuff, the physical and the mental, and these exist semi-independently of one another. On the other hand, monism asserts that there is in reality one sort of stuff, of which both minds and brains are ultimately made. In extreme version of monism, physicalism, it claims that particular subjective feelings are actually identical to particular physical brain processes.


How do you account for conc? How can a physical brain, made purely of material substances and nothing else give rise to conscious experiences or ineffable qualia.

Su ana kadar kesin herkesin agreeable definition u yok.

Experience edebiliyoruz ama define edemiyoruz.

Core consciousness (gordugunu algilama)
Physical consciousness



Consciousness alemlerinde iki ayri uc var. biri felsefecilerin diyaloglari, biri de emprik data ya dayali beyin arastirmalari vs.

Evolution konusuna gelirken “function” u vurgula.


Felsefi acidan bakan insanlar daha cok, hard problem of consciousness durumuna getiriyorlar, mind-body problemi. Nasil material substancelar consc. A yol acar. Chalmers. What consciousness is for, what it does, and how we got it.

On the other hand

Physical physicalistler thinks that consciousness is a part of the brain like memory, perception emotion vsvsvs.. nasil evolve ettigini sormak cok sacma (???), cunku intelligence . no need for mystery of consciousness, ,nsanlarin sahip oldugu muhtesem bir sey olarak gormektense, dogal ust seviye bir sey. Consciousness = illusion gibi bakiyorlar. Yansima. Bu illusion I aciklamamiz gerekiyor.

Language a girdigimizde, since animals lack language - they can’t reflect on their sensations. Descartes gorusu. Beast sensations – mouse trap ine mouse geldiginde cat kapanmasi gibi.

Descartes – temel ayrim, in both cases ther is the stimulation of a sensor and a mechanical response. But there is no subjective awareness.

conceptual tought.

Animals don,t have general concepts – since they lack words.

Animal expressed dusuncelerde present and particular ilgilendiriyor. Bennett, sadece dil sayesinde present ve particular in disina cikabilirsin. Hayvan davranisi – bi kac kelimeyi kullanmayi bilen bir insanin davranisi gibi.

WE HAVE ALSO WORDLESS CONCEPTS, AND OTHER ANIMALS MAY HAVE AS WELL.

Self awareness – defact in animal mentation , beasts lacking language (necessarily) lack self awareness.

Bir cok yazar, primary consciousness I var ama higher order consc. Yok
Perceptual consc. Var reflective yok
Creature consc var. state consc. Yok
Phenomenal consc. Var excess consc. Yok
Consciousness of quailia var, information flow yok.
Experiential sestivity var, informational sensitivity yok.



Nonhuman animals perceive things – but they do not perceive themselves as perceiving . OLAY Bué!!!!!


This is what consciousness is.

Language la ilgili buna da girersek aslinda baya iyi olacak. (akif ercihan yerlioglu)

Bickerton – a minimum prerequisite for self consciousness is a place from which a part of you can look at another part of you. The secondary representational system of language, is such a place. Aferin.

Bickerton un soyledigi bu seyler – dil yani – consciousness a bu reflexivityi veren DIL dir.

Akif diyor ki LAD falan girmeler adami oldurur. Bu kadar bahset gec.

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